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I’ll Show You Mine If You Show Me Yours

So last night I had my first emotional break down of Ironman training.

There were tears, there was sweat, there was leftover pizza and wine. It wasn’t pretty.

But today is a new day and I’m feeling like a sweaty rock star again after a very subpar week of training.

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Last night, for the first time all week I actually motivated to face the horrific, over-crowded night scene at the gym to get a solid double in AND I was back at 5:30 this morning to rock my best fish-face for 3100 meters of swimming.

Nothing like quality sweating to make a girl feel better.

Now, let’s talk race times.
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At the end of the National Half Marathon, I spent the next few hours wandering around and chatting with other runners about their race performances.

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And while the first words out of every runner’s mouth (including mine) were “How did you do?”

Almost no one uttered the phrase “what was your time?” Or shared their time without being asked to fork it over.

(editor’s note: posting the above picture of Ali in this post is totally just because she’s adorable and wears leg warmers. we actually DID discuss her exact, bomb-ass time when we ran into each other.)

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There seems to be a stigma in the running community about asking people to share their race times. Or sharing yours without being asked.

It reminds me of being in college when a professor would pass an exam back. You would most certainly ask your classmate “how did you do?” to which they might respond “I did well.” or “man I really bombed that mother-effer” but rarely did anyone announce their test score.

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I am totally guilty of practicing this odd running ritual. There are very few people who I have on speed dial to share my race times with and their name is my mother.

Have other people picked up on this aspect of the endurance sport culture?

Will you outright ask people their times at the end of a race?

Or share yours without being prompted?

Are we too competitive? Too concerned about bragging in a sea of Type A Sweat Addicts?

I’m really curious to hear your thoughts. The Rocketship even picked up on this and commented about how peculiar he found it after spectating his first race.

464 Responses to I’ll Show You Mine If You Show Me Yours

  1. Based on the title, camera in hand, I was prepping for a very different comment. Alas, another day.

    I think it is the whole 'race against yourself' aspect of racing. 95% of people aren't podium'ing, so their times are relative to how THEY think they did. "did well" for one person could be hours different than "did well" for another. So, while asking someone their time provides a benchmark against the elites or yourself, asking someone HOW they did trys to grasp what is at the true heart of our sport: their relative internal performance against past results / expectations.

    Now, off to run 5 slow miles… 7:45 pace. ;) My LSR pace. :) Relativity is fun!

  2. I don't even hesitate to ask about times or tell my times to my training buddies after a race, but we generally stay close together in races so we usually have a good idea of what each other's times are anyway.
    Otherwise, I would agree with you that it's not often talked about and agree with Adam about why people don't tend to ask about times.

  3. I think to some extent it is private, like a test score — great analogy btw. But more than that racing is such an individual thing. It often is about the qulitative or subjective ("how") rather than the concrete (your actual time). To put it another way, one woman's five hour marathon is another woman's 3:20 finish.

    I don't mind sharing my time usually, but it's usually pretty meaningless to other people (especially non-runners), so I just don't usually mention it.

  4. I think times are so relative that how someone did is just more relevent. Telling someone else your time without the background of previous PR, goal time, training background, etc makes the race time just worthless. 1:50 sounds great! Or terrible! How fast did you think you would run it? Is that better or worse than you have done before? Ya know?

    Having said that, I'm always TOTALLY curious what a person's time was and I always share mine. I just also ask those background questions to put the time in perspective.

  5. TMB @ RACING WITH BABES

    I ask everyone their times and broadcast mine from the rooftops.
    It kind of irks me when people tell me they "did well". I want to know how well and how I measure up in comparison. Especially considering if I want to know what you ran and you don't tell me, I will go home and look up your result anyway.

    But, I also have no issue with telling people what our household income is either. So maybe I am a freak.

  6. I don't offer up my time, ever. I'm slow so if we were discussing times I would feel embarrassed because my national half time was a LOT longer than yours. You will also never find me posting it on fb or twitter, I'm friends with too many fast people!

    I'm super impressed that you can make it to 5:30am swimming. I always try to get up that early for masters and never seem to be able to do it!

  7. Sometimes I feel weird about sharing my time with anyone other than my closest buds, but other times I pretty much write it on my forehead!!

  8. Time is such a personal thing because, like Beth said, the same time could mean completely different things to people. I probably wouldn't say my exact time unless prompted.

  9. Haha! Love the photo and the shout out.

    So this is a great topic and I love that you addressed it. It's SO true that it's like talking about test scores.

    After this race, I didn't share my time unless I was asked outright. I was SUPER proud of it, but I always worry that my pride will come across as braggy. I was happy to share my time with people because I felt great, but at times it felt uncomfortable.

    Though I must say, as hesitant as I was to share my time, most people were excited for me and just as pumped as I was about it (or they were really good at faking).

    And like you, I asked everyone "How did you do?" or sometimes "How did you feel?" instead of asking their time. But obviously I wanted to know the number. Haha. High five for all the Type A competitors out there!

  10. Essentially "how did you do?" Is saying "I want to know your time but I'm afraid to ask you if you are one of those people who doesn't like to share their time so I'm going to phrase the question like this and give u the choice of telling me what I really want to know or not."
    When a fast person says "how'd u do?" I respond with my time usually. But when a slower person asks I usually just give details but no time. I don't wanna make people feel bad and I hate when they turn the convo into how fast I ran compared to how slow they ran. (IF I ran fast!!! Lol) do you know what I mean?? But if someone says "what was your time," I have no problem telling!!! I suppose we are all feel equal having just run the race but once u start talking times some ppl might feel inferior? I dunno. People can ask me anything, I don't mind. Cool topic! Thanks!

  11. I think it's because we blog! I didn't share my time on my first race recap and everyone asked! I think the blog makes you more open to sharing! But post-race I usually start with a "How did you do?" or "What was your goal" and then I find people are willing to share times. Especially because you ran the race too so you can still identify with them on some level.

  12. Christine @ Merf In Progress

    It seems a double edged sword if you can't ask, but you also can't divulge without being asked.

    I am doing couch 2 5k right now. I can't run longer than 3 minutes yet. When I do actually run my 5k, I will tell everybody my time. Everybody. People walking on the street. Doesn't matter if it takes me 30 minutes or 60, you'll hear about it!

  13. I'm right there with you, I never ask time unless they want to share. It's really more about the experience when you share with other runners, the time, for me anyway, is really only important to me since I race against myself.

  14. When I ask someone how they did, I want cold, hard data. And if you won't tell me, there are web sites that will.

  15. I am guilty of that — and I agree with Beth. The reason we do that is because so many factors influence time that the overall performance matters more than the number on the clock. Though, when I PR, I don't mind sharing my time when asked ;)

    It's interesting, though, because I always found that super-competitive kids in school were all about the actual grade other people received — and not afraid to brag. Runners are equally competitive but for the most part much more timid about asking/telling!

  16. Sorry about your mini meltdown. Sounds like you had a strong rally last night and this morning.

    As for the other topic…I know this sounds lame but I get embarrassed about my times sometimes and don't like to share. I mean, I share on the blog b/c it'd be a boring blog post if there weren't times right? But in person I don't always like to share and sometimes would wish I could go back to the college speak and say "I passed—aka I finished." At the end of the day that's what really matters right? Finishing, being out there, competing with yourself =). With all that said, I love to hear other people's race times and I'm always so proud of every single one of my friends (blog or real life) that finishes a race of any distance! I do really love being part of community that takes pride in being fit.

  17. I agree with Adam. If you just say "I ran X time," the other person doesn't know how to respond. For me, running a 3:40 marathon would be a PR; for someone else who is shooting for a 3:20, it might be a total failure of a race.

    I tend to only share my time (unprompted) after the race if I'm a pacer, so anyone can see my sign and knew exactly what I was going for. Otherwise, if someone asks for it, I have NO problem giving it (as TMB said, they can just go look it up later anyway).

    To address Emily's (Speed Laces) comment though, I would say it's different than school grades because everyone has a different goal. In school, everyone wants a 100 / A. In a race, everyone is shooting for something different.

  18. To me, it doesn't matter what time other people finished. I'll share my times on my blog or tell people that ask. I race against my times and no one elses.

  19. Beth @ DiningAndDishing

    It's funny what questions are taboo these days! People have often asked me for my race time for the half I did. My reply is actually that I have no clue :). All I cared about was running to the finish. Then again, I am not quite so serious about it!

    Glad your training is back on track today Emily :).

  20. I agree with Adam. I prefer to think of runners as a whole as kind of a gentle, nurturing (haha) community – we aren't (mostly) so much running against each other, so it's less competition amongst the field, and more opportunity to be encouraging?

    Or maybe that's what I like to think because I'm s l o w. :D

  21. TurnerLifeAround

    such a tought subject- i definitely know the feeling of not wanting to share because you're afraid it sounds slow to the other person- but really isn't it all about how you did and you feel personally? i find it easier to talk about it and it makes more sense when you put it in perspective- so like "i ran a 1:30 and i was shooting for around 1:31 so i was happy with myself!" or the other way around- it really does depend all on your background and your training so be proud if you're proud of yourself…i know a girl who will never ever say her time and its like – come on seriously you do know about the whole Internet thing right?? and we all know we look :)

  22. Abby @ Have Dental Floss, Will Travel

    At my college there was actually a written rule that you weren't allowed to discuss grades. For a pretty highly motivated group of girls (women) that already put a lot of pressure on themselves, I think it was a good thing, and I tend to think the same about runners. I'll always ask my friends how it went, but rarely will I ask specifics, letting them bring it up if they want to. Sometimes I'll even google race results of my friends to see how it went before I talk to them, to know what kinds of questions to ask. That one might be pushing it a little far, I guess :)

  23. Unless specifically asked, I don't usually share my time. There are so many other ways I can describe a race (and my excitement or disappointment) that are more informative.

    It actually drives me nuts when time is the first question asked especially by people who don't have the context. Sometimes I want to make something up that's ridiculously fast or slow just to see their reaction.

    However usually, based on how excited or disappointed I am, someone will follow-up with the time question, and then I don't mind it since the background is already there.

  24. In a way, I almost see it the same as asking someone, "Hey! How much money do you make a year?"

  25. I would also like to address the fact that when I returned to work on Monday following the race, everyone at the office — all non-runners — asked me the same question:

    "Did you win?!"

    Obviously this topic of time is relevant, but mostly only with fellow runners. Like people have said, out of context people have little idea what time really means. If you say what your goal was and what your time was then it helps put it into perspective, otherwise it's such a moot point. I could tell my coworkers I ran the half in 19 minutes or 6 hours and they wouldn't grasp the different. Totally fine, and maybe one day I'll be able to say "Actually yeah, I did win…" More likely it'll be "Yeah I won the post-race wine drinking contest, thanks for asking."

  26. One of my first memories of this very topic was (of course) on my USS swim team when I was around 11 or so. An older brother (he was probably a big bad 13 year old) of one of my friends was talking about psyching out the competition before a race and would just respond and say "I'm so damn fast, I don't even know my time". That is pretty much my mantra for life, though I am usually laughing after I say it because it's so ridiculous :)

  27. I feel like I tend to share how I did relative to my PR (improved by x minutes, slower by x minutes) since the time itself means different things for different people, as a lot of the previous comments have pointed out. But I'm happy to share the actual time too.

    I also find it interesting to compare your finish line photo to mine (which is so packed with people that you can barely see me). I guess there's more room to run at the front of the pack! Another incentive to get faster! :)

  28. Big Daddy Diesel

    Me, personally I dont care about time, its a number, thats it. The experience of the race will last longer in your head as well as others then the time you or they did.

  29. interesting. I ALWAYS ask people, how did you do? but if they didn't tell me their time i wouldn't beat them in the face or anything. usually i just want to know how they did as compared to their goals. for example, saturday, I FINISHED, everyone breaks into spontaneous applause and flowers start raining from the sky. no one cares about my crappy time.

    also. sent you email. I MEAN IT.

  30. Lauren @ Sassy Molassy

    It is one of those ODD things we runners do. Some people I'll ask and others I won't. Depends how well I know them.

    Also, if I had a great race and am talking to someone either faster/slower than me, my "uber speedy" time or a "slow & steady" time might be either chump change or rude to someone else. It's weird. But for the most part, I don't mind telling someone my time or asking. Kinda like I don't mind asking my bro how much he paid for his fiance's wedding ring or how much a friend paid for their house. I'm overly curious and maybe a bit nosey. ;)

  31. Yeah… I want to know facts…I want to know how much better you are than me! I like to know… and I have been known to look up bib numbers to see their times… yeah… even race pics!

    But then again, I'm weird. Im on team commando, so that's how I roll!

  32. Hmm if someone asks I will tell them but our run group really focuses on everyone running their own race so it becomes irrelevant really.
    My non run friends/family have no idea what run times mean.

  33. Hi. Random stalker of your blog here. Just wanted to chime in to say.. don't freak out about Ironman. I'm pretty sure you're about three times as fit as I am, and I just finished my fourth Ironman. New is always intimidating, of course, but seriously, I tell people, "If I can do it.."

    You're gonna completely kick its ass. It's 90% mental.. make sure you hone that.

  34. I'm still sort of new to the running community and I remember thinking it was funny when I realized it was taboo to talk about race times. I think it's really interesting after races because runners get so hyped up about running sub-whatever, but then seem awkward about it after. I've never felt uncomfortable talking about my times, but I try not to directly ask people (unless we're super close!) because I realize that they might not want to say. The best is when people at work ask me if I won…what?!

  35. Corey @ the runners cookie

    Training has SO many ups and downs – so glad to hear today is a new day for you and you're feeling better!
    With regard to asking runners about their time and the comparison to asking about grades, I never thought of it that way! I guess because grades are not publicly posted, but race results are? I mean, if anyone wants to see how you did, they can just go online. On the other hand, I totally can understand what you mean about not wanting to be asked "What was your time" immediately after a race. I think what I usually ask is "How'd it go" or "Howd you feel" and wait until the person wants to say their specific time. Very interesting issue though! Great post :)

  36. Hmmm, I am probably that asshole that does ask. Is that bad? When I read race recaps, I look for the time before I read the whole thing. What can I say, I want to know how fast you ran! When people ask me I usually say I ran well and say my time . I think deep down everyone wants to know, right? right? or am I wrong?

  37. Personally, I never hesitate to ask other their times. But I think that might be because I'm totally ok telling mine even if I completely bonk.

    I think if you know the person, ask. If not, prob best to "feel them out" first.

  38. Great fish face! I don't usually tell everyone my times. I will tell people if they ask but my times are still slow so I don't tell strangers that happen to be walking by. I am more likely to tell someone that I improved from my last race.

  39. I HATE being asked what my time is, or what I hope to finish in. I feel like that is just personal or you want to judge me.

    I did the Princess Half Marathon this year – and it was my first. Days of walking in parks, training in cold weather, then suddenly racing 13.1 in crazy heat and humidity didn't set me up for success. But I completed it … with 15+ minutes set aside for tons of silly photos along the race course. I had a FABULOUS time with no regrets. But I found myself really annoyed when the same runner on facebook kept asking over and over what my finish time was – and now if I had fun. The goal was for fun and memories. I achieved that goal – the time doesn't matter!

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